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Xori Ruscuv Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.11.25 07:06:00 - [1] So... what... I gotta train **in' Caldari BS 4/5 now? This is complete crap. No ship is "better" than another, right? Bull*. I'm that much closer to quitting this game. It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it?* This IS my main! I just did a portrait swap...
Xori Ruscuv Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.11.25 07:21:00 - [2] Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 25/11/2006 07:21:31 Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Why? How long till Caldari BS 4 and the new king of blasters? Change is GOOD.. Bull**** isn't good though... Get it? People like you make me wonder... It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it? This IS my main! I just did a portrait swap...
Xori Ruscuv Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.11.25 07:23:00 - [3] Originally by: Kaden Seer uhh, boost the range of all sniper ships except rokh ? Nah, they won't do that - the POINT of the rokh is that it be able to hit at greater range. However, the rokh's greater range IMPLYING greater damage is complete bull***. It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it?* This IS my main! I just did a portrait swap...
Xori Ruscuv Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.11.25 07:27:00 - [4] Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Edited by: Dred''Pirate Jesus on 25/11/2006 07:24:14 Originally by: Xori Ruscuv Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 25/11/2006 07:21:31 Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Why? How long till Caldari BS 4 and the new king of blasters? Change is GOOD.. Bull**** isn't good though... Get it? People like you make me wonder... Yeah I get it but I already have all BS to level 4 so I get to pick and choose the winners.. Sucks to be behind the curve eh? Hmm. You're 6 months old? Your other skills must REALLY suck. Or that must not be your main. Anyway, being "behind the curve" indicates that you are somewhat below average. Does the average character have specialization in 4 weapon systems and specialization in 4 races of ships? Probably not. It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it? This IS my main! I just did a portrait swap...
Xori Ruscuv Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.11.25 07:40:00 - [5] Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus If your already have great skills in one area train for another.. So far the Rohk is the Bs for the masses and even more uber if you are Caldari rail/blaster specialized.. This is where you're wrong, see? You'd be RIGHT if there were ALL sorts of different ranges and types of T2 rail ammo. But there isn't! As a result, we have a battleship that can tank better and snipe as well (with T1 CRAP) as a T2 fitted battleship with uber skills. The Rokh has an insane about of PG and grid compared to other ships used for sniping. THAT is just **** up. And a ship for the "masses"? the masses. We're talking about ships here that are used for very specialized endeavours with high end skills. Screw the masses. What, we're throwing this game to the masses now? Screw them. Oh wait, CCP is screwing the people who have specialized for like this. Thanks for bending us the ** over. It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it? This IS my main! I just did a portrait swap...
Xori Ruscuv Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.11.25 07:57:00 - [6] Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 25/11/2006 07:58:43 Originally by: murder one The Hype makes a vastly better sniper than the Mega (lol?) due to the same damage bonus and the extra turret allows for increased DPS by 12.5% over the Mega, all other things being equal. Which is not true, since the hyp's fittings SUCK. The rokh's fittings are so ** good that it can tank and snipe. What the *? Refer to my sig. It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it?* This IS my main! I just did a portrait swap...
Xori Ruscuv Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.11.25 08:14:00 - [7] Originally by: murder one Originally by: Xori Ruscuv Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 25/11/2006 07:58:43 Originally by: murder one The Hype makes a vastly better sniper than the Mega (lol?) due to the same damage bonus and the extra turret allows for increased DPS by 12.5% over the Mega, all other things being equal. Which is not true, since the hyp's fittings SUCK. The rokh's fittings are so ** good that it can tank and snipe. What the *? Refer to my sig. I can fit 8x t2 425s on the Hype w/ no fitting mods, but no large rep or MWD. That's my point though. The Rokh can too.......... and it has a badass passive tank. It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it?* This IS my main! I just did a portrait swap...
Xori Ruscuv Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.11.25 08:22:00 - [8] Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 25/11/2006 08:21:59 Originally by: murder one Agreed. I was just comparing it to the Mega as to what was the better ship between the two rail ships. The Rokh isn't even in the same league, as it's completely overpowered when compared to the two Gal ships. Yeah, I see what you are saying. I'm not disagreeing with you. The Rokh is completely unwarranted. It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it? This IS my main! I just did a portrait swap...
Xori Ruscuv Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.11.25 08:30:00 - [9] Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 25/11/2006 08:31:48 You obviously don't get it. People who spent a year training for something shouldn't be forced to waste that year simply because something else comes along that takes 1/4 the time to train for. Nor should people who spent a year training for be "caught up to" by nublet pieces of ** who spent 1/4 that time playing the game. You asking people to willingly throw away their training time and be happy. ** that. It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it? This IS my main! I just did a portrait swap...
Xori Ruscuv Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.11.25 08:41:00 - [10] Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 25/11/2006 08:41:38 Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus And if you spent a year training for a certain ship and skill set 2 more weeks is such a huge sacrifice to get the new leet BS on the block? Cripes.. **it dude, how many times do I have to explain this? Tier 3 ship + NOOB skills + CAN TANK > Tier 3 ship + leet skills + insta***pop THAT IS NOT RIGHT. I don't CARE if I CAN train for the Rokh or NOT! The Tier 3 ship isn't SUPPOSED to be better than Tier 2 or 1 ships... nor is one Tier 3 ship SUPPOSED to be better than any other Tier 3 ship! This isn't a point where I can just say "oh hey, mages suck, I'll roll a hunter"... because I can not exert EXTRA EFFORT to get anywhere any faster than anyone else. I've wasted a year, and that can't be changed. I guess what it comes down to is that I'm asking for my ***** YEAR BACK. It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it? This IS my main! I just did a portrait swap...

Xori Ruscuv Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.11.25 08:45:00 - [11] Originally by: murder one Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus And if you spent a year training for a certain ship and skill set 2 more weeks is such a huge sacrifice to get the new leet BS on the block? Cripes.. I'd just like a setup for the Hype that's actually usefull for something. And no, 8x Miner IIs and 6 WCS in the lows doesn't count. Close range roid-rage ^_^ It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it? This IS my main! I just did a portrait swap...
Xori Ruscuv Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.11.25 08:48:00 - [12] Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 25/11/2006 08:53:53 Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus WTF? Any tier 3 is supposed to be better than a tier 1 or 2.. Eh, no, its not. I can see where you're coming from now - because your presuppositions are completely wrong. The devs themselves have said that tier 3 is supposed to be different, not better. In this case, anyway, if 3 > 2 > 1, then: - why can a domi regularly beat a mega - why can a phoon regularly beat a pest - WHY THE ** EVEN BUY tier 1 SHIPS? Because they are DIFFERENT, NOT BETTER EDIT: Raven vs. Scorp? Pfft. I dare you to say that Raven > Scorp. Or that Rokh > Scorp. Or that ANYTHING > Scorp. It is an issue of ROLES. Different, NOT better!** It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it? This IS my main! I just did a portrait swap...
Xori Ruscuv Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.11.25 09:00:00 - [13] Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 25/11/2006 09:01:36 Yeah, but you just said that tier 3 > tier 2 > tier 1. So you are saying that Rokh > Raven > Scorp. And Hyp > Mega > Domi. Etc. Which is patently wrong. If for any theory you can provide one instance for which it is not correct, that theory is wrong. End of discussion. EDIT: Oh yeah, but the Hyperion should have been a dedicated sensor dampener boat - and they should have just FIXED the mega. shrug... It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it? This IS my main! I just did a portrait swap...
Xori Ruscuv Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.11.25 09:08:00 - [14] Originally by: murder one Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Different equates to better in the case of eve ships.. how else would they be different? Raven: Awesome fire support BS with the always hit torps.. Scorp: Awesome EW support BS with the always hit jamming.. Rohk: Awesome Primary DPS dealer for long/short range.. Thats pretty balanced I'd say.. Dood, your comedy is just outstanding lol! Anyway, I'd like your opinion on what the Hype is good for I'm starting to think that he's just a (poor) troll... the liberal use of "always hit", "Awsome", and "that's pretty balanced" really gives it away. It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it? This IS my main! I just did a portrait swap...
Xori Ruscuv Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.11.25 09:12:00 - [15] Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 25/11/2006 09:15:20 Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus LOl and now we get to the meat of the thread! Flaming! But seriously do torps not always hit? Do jammers on scorps not always work? They do on sisi so im assuming they will do the same on tranq on the 28th.. We weren't really flaming... Murder one has been ***ing on the Kali dev forum at least as long as I've been **ing on it... it appears that neither of us really understand your 'logic'. If you could really put forth a convincing argument, we might begin to think that you were not just a troll... (?) I mean... you just called: - a weapon that always hits - the BEST ewar in the game that completely paralyzes an enemy - a new noob-skill-level sniper that completely outdoes highly specialized skill sets ... you just called those things balanced. You expect us to buy that you are being serious? It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it?* This IS my main! I just did a portrait swap...
Xori Ruscuv Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.11.25 09:26:00 - [16] Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Guess its this.. your arguing from a specialist point of view and im arguing from a generalists point of view.. Your mad cause your specialist skills dont pwn as hard as you think they should and my general skills are happy with all the *AWESOME* choices in ships I have now.. Is it that hard to understand? Yeah, you're arguing that the lowest common denominator should win out. I get it. Whaaaatever. BTW: Conspiracy Theory!!!111 It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it? This IS my main! I just did a portrait swap...
Xori Ruscuv Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.11.25 09:46:00 - [17] Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Why not? your leet.. you will pwn nearly everyone you cross no matter if they are in a Rohk or not.. If that was the case, why would I be as **ed as I am? Why would I be wasting my time arguing with you? Quote: Fleet wise the Rohk is just fine.. Wrong, but we've already established that. Quote: BlasterRohk might be a bit unfair for small gang but so what? Nos it.. problem solved.. and yeah noone uses nos right? NOS is overpowered. NOS is NOT the *** answer. Quote: Cripes seems everytime a ship is the slightest bit more uber than another the cries of "Unfair" ring loud and long here.. True. But the Rokh isn't "slightly" more uber. That's what you are failing to understand. Quote: but is anyone still **ing about the exodus/coldwar/rmr changes? Yes... PAY ATTENTION. If you don't realize that, how can I expect that you will/do realize anything relevant to this thread. Heh. Screw this.* It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it? This IS my main! I just did a portrait swap...
Xori Ruscuv Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.11.25 09:52:00 - [18] For convenience, I quote from another thread, where our "Dread Pirate" says: Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus ... Im just having fun with the Rohk which needs no lovin.. a slight cuff to the head with the nerf bat maybe but meh.. I retract statements made about you not getting it. Clearly you do get it. Now please stop trolling me! It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it? This IS my main! I just did a portrait swap...
Xori Ruscuv Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.11.25 10:03:00 - [19] Originally by: Apolluon You shouldn't have choices to "pwn". The name of the game, from day one, was that if you wanted to be good out of the box, you had to specialize. How great would the crying be if they made the Hyperion a drone boat with a 50% greater drone control, 25% greater drone damage, and 25% greater drone HP per level? Thought so. Wow, I thought I was doing an adequate job of getting my point across, but I never thought to actually use an example. Well done, man. It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it? This IS my main! I just did a portrait swap...
Xori Ruscuv Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.11.25 10:47:00 - [20] Originally by: Isyel Funny how people only ***** about the Mega - Hype - Rokh relation. Think of us poor Minnies too. Our long range guns have the shortest range, the worst dps, long range ammo gets nerfed, the hp boost nerfs the alpha... Uh... that's because this is a mega-hyp-rokh thread, m8. I feel the pain of Minmatar too. I have more than one char :( It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it? This IS my main! I just did a portrait swap...

Xori Ruscuv Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.11.25 11:10:00 - [21] Remove its tanking bonus, for one... And if tier 3 are supposed to be better than tier 2, for ***'s sake, give the hyperion more cpu/grid. The hyp's fittings are PATHETIC! It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it?* This IS my main! I just did a portrait swap...
Xori Ruscuv Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.11.25 12:38:00 - [22] Originally by: Aki Yamato Heh maybe its time to realize that each race should use different tactics to win abattle. So If Gallente could not face Caldari sniper fleet at long range, they should try a different thing... OK! Give us a decent blaster ship, and we'll give it a try! It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it? This IS my main! I just did a portrait swap...
Xori Ruscuv Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.11.26 09:37:00 - [23] I might be able to STFU if: - the mega and the hyperion weren't so similar - the mega and the hyperion didn't suck so ******* bad after kali Kali is not ready for release. There are too many bugs and too many imbalances. I'll be taking several months break, I think... It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it? This IS my main! I just did a portrait swap...
Xori Ruscuv Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.11.27 02:46:00 - [24] Originally by: welsh wizard As far as I'm concerned the best thing about the large railgun batteries is antimatter and javelin ammo. The rest of its merely a distraction. The op also conveniently forgot about the Megathrons tracking bonus. At the end of the day the most important thing as far as these railgun platforms are concerned is damage and both Gallente battleships are capable of outdamaging the Rokh. The tech I Rokh just isn't in the same league as a tech II thron. The whole problem here is that the tech 1 Rokh IS in the same league as the tech 2 thron. The tracking bonus MAKES NO DIFFERENCE at those ranges. The rokh can just get a bit farther away and outdamage the Mega with tech 1 nubcrap. It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it? This IS my main! I just did a portrait swap...
Xori Ruscuv Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.11.27 05:18:00 - [25] Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 27/11/2006 05:18:51 That is a good idea. The Mega needs a role now. Kill the ridiculous tracking bonus - it is crap. Just make the Mega useful for SOMETHING. It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it? This IS my main! I just did a portrait swap...
Xori Ruscuv Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.11.27 11:53:00 - [26] Originally by: infraX Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Personally, I like the fact that the Rokh slaps the abusrd longrange T2 ammo in the face, and will help remove the 'YOU MUST HAVE T2 GUNS TO BE USEFUL IN A SNIPER FLEET' situation that Spike has created. Altho removing T2 ammo and remaking it into side-effect charges would still be a much, much better thing imo. What makes you think that you deserve to be on par using T1 guns with someone that has specialized in gunnery and might have up to 10million skill points (or more) in one type of turret? Well said. Same point that has been made - but still well said. \o/ It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it? This IS my main! I just did a portrait swap...
Xori Ruscuv Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.11.28 01:57:00 - [27] Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 28/11/2006 02:01:11 Originally by: OrangeAfroMan Originally by: Xori Ruscuv So... what... I gotta train **in' Caldari BS 4/5 now? This is complete crap. No ship is "better" than another, right? Bull. I'm that much closer to quitting this game. You're rather pathetic. Yes lets have every ship from every race be exactly the same as the next race - in fact, lets all just fly around in Ibises because everyone's ship needs to = everyone elses at EVERYTHING. Caldari got a good rail sniper that will allow the use of T1 guns in fleet combat. Thank god, it was seriously needed. Now quit the game, noobtard. Haha Wow You are really something... T1 != T2, and it shouldn't be. That is going to create a loop in the game mechanics that is going to cause something really crazy to go on. As for your ***** remarks: those are my opinions. If you don't like it, you can bite me TBFH. It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it? This IS my main! I just did a portrait swap...

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